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rath no more · Jan 12, 2008, 01:15 AM // 01:15

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Originally Posted by lishi

then tell me the other millions of hack,of this magnitude , you can do in this game.

Oh right you dont know any

hack? oh wow that was awrsome i had to get into this. i dare say you wouldnt know hack if it crawled up and bit you on the ass. and the only person that said it was a hack is some nitwit who believes anything hes told. can you believe he went and reported people were hacking on the word of a stranger? im sorry guys but you also may have forgotten i dont have to worry about getting banned ill buy a new game anytime i please its called a jooob.. just a little of somone actually payin attention and this all coulda been avoided. but to be honest as old as this game is with all the snobish fools who think they know everything there is to known its amazing how many things you dont know.

garethporlest18 · Jan 12, 2008, 01:15 AM // 01:15

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Originally Posted by Stealthc

Because these didn't involve hacking the guild wars client to access an inaccessible outpost?

Neither did this one @ hacking. Also the players banned never hacked anything. They abused an exploit, which many people did with Duncan/HoS/Guild Ferrying.

DivineEnvoy · Jan 12, 2008, 01:17 AM // 01:17

Guess a conclusion can be made at this point, although I personally believe 40pages of this thread was a waste.

There's an exploit which uses a similar ferrying method, but it yields up a much greater profit. This issue brings us an arguement. Is it right to do this, since it's similar to many other ferrying? Do we have to bann these abusers to ensure our gaming community and economy are safe?

It has been a quarrel; however, we can look at this situation from different perspectives. First of all, are all the ferryings really an exploit? Yes, because they are not intended by the developers. Now then, why aren't they fixed? They are good alternative options, and they do not harm the game economy enough to damage the game. Now we look at this exploit, we can see that it is so much easier to farm DoA with its existence to the point where many DoA contents have lost its values.

As many people have point out that this exploit is just the same as any others, and people weren't banned for abusing other exploits, that is true. However, the fact is, Anet has a high standard to which they would consider the action of banning an account to be conducted, but the point is, this standard is more or less just a privilege; it does not justify if anyone chooses to abuse it.

As many people have argued in this thread, they have repeatedly told us that they do not deserve the bann. However, can we really trust them? After all, I have been hearing people claiming that they have only done this once, then all of a sudden, after 10 pages, they did seven times. I really wonder how is it possible for them to abuse the exploit again after they are banned and the exploit has been fixed. My point is, there are a lot of lies made throughout this thread, and Anet is only acting based on their logs. It is not surprising that many of us would be in favor with Anet.

Also, I believe many people do not understand what an exploit is, and by abusing such exploit, they can get banned. Nevertheless, this is not a justification to abuse an exploit. We need to know that Anet has been giving the players many chances when exploits are abused, and in real life, cops are not this kind; if they suspect you of being commiting a crime, and you happen to be holding a stapler on your hand, you are likely to be tasered. If you happen to be one of the unlucky ones, in twenty four hours, it will be your funeral. My point is, you may lose your Guild Wars account today due to your lack of awareness, but you have gained the experience to prevent something much horrible from happening.

Realistically, my opinion doesn't really matter here; after all, it's Anet that holds the ultimately decision to what will happen to these 117 accounts. If you believe you have a strong appeal to support your objective of getting unbanned, good luck to you, and I hope you get your account back. However, if you are one of those people who just abused this exploit to the point of no return, it's a tragic, but at least you learned something today.

To be honest, it seems to be logical to just not go to DoA.

SolidShadow · Jan 12, 2008, 01:18 AM // 01:18

Guys , once again keep it real, if you want to put these ppl down read there offence first.

Dont speculate things and plz keep it real.

Harrier's haste · Jan 12, 2008, 01:19 AM // 01:19

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Originally Posted by NxAxSxTxY

Note: This post is meant to clarify what me and a lot of my in-game friends actually involved ourselves in when we were performing this so-called exploit. What I say in this post only reflects what I and the people I farmed with did and I can not be certain for all 117 of those initially banned, however I personally know at least 30 of those that were affected. I have not posted this to start more flaming, only to inform the people that dont really know what happened with this glitch. Also, I am only posting this because I'm sick of the Dev Update Thread on this topic where 99% of the people posting have no clue what it the glitch actually entails.

Also: I did this glitch for a couple hours everyday, since mid-november, and farmed 15 armbraces, that's my credibility on the subject.

First off, I myself nor anyone I farmed Mallyx with have never hacked Guild Wars client, and yet I was still able to farm The Ebony Citadel of Mallyx, or monkey farm as my groups of friends like to call it. I was approached by someone who I had been playing with for over a year now, saying he was just showed by his guildies, this awesome Mallyx farm, involving an outpost that takes you right to the Ebony Citadel mission without having to kill the four lords. Of course I was interested on how it was done. I've been a big Guild Wars player for over a year and a half now, and I felt it was my turn to farm some cash before this bug got fixed.

To me, it was no different, and a little less profitable than the Heart Of The Shiverpeaks Chest Run when GW:EN first came out. You and a bunch of friends run to the end of the dungeon, drop a bunch of barrels on a giant worm, collect a dungeon chest that was 40% onyx gemstones, which were worth 10k each at the time. The run took 5-7 minutes, and it got nerfed pretty quick once people caught on. (I made more money doing this in that one week than I ever did farming mallyx in 1 week, did I get perma-banned for that?)

Anyway, I got guested to a guild hall he brought me to this 'glitch' outpost with an enter mission button. We threw in our heros, and pressed the Enter Mission button to start at the beginning of the Ebony Citadel of Mallyx. This is another misconception, we weren't teleported right to Mallyx, killed him in 30 seconds and got our gemsets. We still had to fight for 10-15 minutes against all the groups that rushed in. Then once all the spawning groups were killed and we went and faced Mallyx. Killed him. Collected our reward from the High Priest from the Mallyx the Unyielding Quest obtained in the Gate of Anguish.

From there, we would have 1 person go the guildhall everyone else go pick up the quest again. We would get back to the guildhall, he would ferry us all back to the glitch town, the group would go back to the guildhall while the last person grabs the quest. Ferry the last person from the guildhall to the glitch town and start the mission all over again. It would take about 20 minutes from enter mission to enter mission, and the reward each time was a single gemset.

I've known and been actively doing this glitch since mid-November and farmed 15 armbraces. Never once getting Coffers, only trading 15 gemsets for armbraces. Now 15 armbraces is a lot, but its a lot less than what people are thinking. There is only person I can think of that *may* have farmed more than I did, but thats of the ~30/117. For a fact i know about half of the people I know farmed 5 or less armbraces, including some that only did 5 gemsets and still got banned.

On another note, there are no innocent parties, Anet spared those that actually didn't participate. My alt account for one had the scenario where it was taken there, and never did any runs. I left my alt accounts necro 'parked' there to ferry us if we didnt have anyone that could ferry online. It did not get touched by the ban because it never once completed the mission from the glitch outpost, however did enter the mission from the outpost. So all the people that are complaining that oh they got pulled there and they knew it was wrong, left the team and never went back there are lying. They would have missed the ban just like my alt account did.

Now that you are informed what went on in the glitch, you can make an accurate opinion on whether or not a permanent ban is a just punishment. I would like you to remember, however, that there are plenty of people out there that did not get caught 'duping' armbraces and ectos or they got caught and unbanned. How do I deserve the same punishment as people that duped stacks upon stacks of armbraces. And there were people that client hacked items into pre-searing, is it just that I get the same punishment.

Anyway, I hope you enjoyed some insider insight =].

EDIT: Spelling / Grammar

Still, greed kills. You did it, you gotta pay for it. NO matter how many gemsets you farmed. There is a moral side to this as well. Anet doesn't want to have game addicts playing their game who always tries to find ways to enrich themselves while kills the game economy. Well, Imo anyways

But sorry, you took advantage of this, now you have to pay for what you did.

rath no more · Jan 12, 2008, 01:21 AM // 01:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by DivineEnvoy

Guess a conclusion can be made at this point, although I personally believe 40pages of this thread was a waste.

There's an exploit which uses a similar ferrying method, but it yields up a much greater profit. This issue brings us an arguement. Is it right to do this, since it's similar to many other ferrying? Do we have to bann these abusers to ensure our gaming community and economy are safe?

It has been a quarrel; however, we can look at this situation from different perspectives. First of all, are all the ferryings really an exploit? Yes, because they are not intended by the developers. Now then, why aren't they fixed? They are good alternative options, and they do not harm the game economy enough to damage the game. Now we look at this exploit, we can see that it is so much easier to farm DoA with its existence to the point where many DoA contents have lost its values.

As many people have point out that this exploit is just the same as any others, and people weren't banned for abusing other exploits, that is true. However, the fact is, Anet has a high standard to which they would consider the action of banning an account to be conducted, but the point is, this standard is more or less just a privilege; it does not justify if anyone chooses to abuse it.

As many people have argued in this thread, they have repeatedly told us that they do not deserve the bann. However, can we really trust them? After all, I have been hearing people claiming that they have only done this once, then all of a sudden, after 10 pages, they did seven times. I really wonder how is it possible for them to abuse the exploit again after they are banned and the exploit has been fixed. My point is, there are a lot of lies made throughout this thread, and Anet is only acting based on their logs. It is not surprising that many of us would be in favor with Anet.

Also, I believe many people do not understand what an exploit is, and by abusing such exploit, they can get banned. Nevertheless, this is not a justification to abuse an exploit. We need to know that Anet has been giving the players many chances when exploits are abused, and in real life, cops are not this kind; if they suspect you of being commiting a crime, and you happen to be holding a stapler on your hand, you are likely to be tasered. If you happen to be one of the unlucky ones, in twenty four hours, it will be your funeral. My point is, you may lose your Guild Wars account today due to your lack of awareness, but you have gained the experience to prevent something much horrible from happening.

Realistically, my opinion doesn't really matter here; after all, it's Anet that holds the ultimately decision to what will happen to these 117 accounts. If you believe you have a strong appeal to support your objective of getting unbanned, good luck to you, and I hope you get your account back. However, if you are one of those people who just abused this exploit to the point of no return, it's a tragic, but at least you learned something today.

To be honest, it seems to be logical to just not go to DoA.

nope no appeals, ive already had a talk with them and because they spsoedly conducted such a swell investigation to start with no one will get an appeal

rath no more · Jan 12, 2008, 01:22 AM // 01:22

and this is from thier customer support as well. im not worried if i wanted back in i would be.. but not everyone is in the same boat now are they.

garethporlest18 · Jan 12, 2008, 01:25 AM // 01:25

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Originally Posted by rath no more

and this is from thier customer support as well. im not worried if i wanted back in i would be.. but not everyone is in the same boat now are they.

But they violated the EULA they shouldn't be let back in. But..neither should we, who used exploits in the passed and didn't get banned, be let back in either. Because as many have said, they didn't get banned for hacking they got banned for exploiting.

Anet won't do that though because they do not want to lose customers for Guild Wars 2.

garethporlest18 · Jan 12, 2008, 01:28 AM // 01:28

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Originally Posted by Meta4ik

Ding ding ding we have another person who doesnt read before replying Congratz. Of the 117 how many people have actually hacked something. probably 3 max

According to Pablo (who could probably destroy all our PCs/Anet's servers if he was eveel) nothing was hacked. Of course I could have just read wrong among all the crap being talked by both sides (mostly the right side though, IE players for the ban).

rath no more · Jan 12, 2008, 01:29 AM // 01:29

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Originally Posted by garethporlest18

But they violated the EULA they shouldn't be let back in. But..neither should we, who used exploits in the passed and didn't get banned, be let back in either. Because as many have said, they didn't get banned for hacking they got banned for exploiting.

Anet won't do that though because they do not want to lose customers for Guild Wars 2.

anet can do whatever the hell they want, even if only half of the people from this game migrate to the new one i highly doubt its gonna hurt them much look at guild wars as old an decripit as it is its still gaining peeps.
this is a game corporation not a small gaming company with no clout.

NxAxSxTxY · Jan 12, 2008, 01:29 AM // 01:29

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Originally Posted by Harrier's haste

But sorry, you took advantage of this, now you have to pay for what you did.

I totally agree with you, that punishment is necessary, but I'm getting a death sentence in the game when I didnt commit murder.

oOo

SolidShadow · Jan 12, 2008, 01:30 AM // 01:30

Jep especially when your a high experienced player spending around 10.000hours ingame knowing all tips/tricks around.

Fact is some people know more stuff wich is going around then developers themselfs just for the fact there putting more time and effort in to that.

warcrap · Jan 12, 2008, 01:32 AM // 01:32

i went to my friends house and we were taking there by someone lvl 20 with full purples i hope he doesnt get banned because it wasnt his fault.

rath no more · Jan 12, 2008, 01:33 AM // 01:33

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Originally Posted by warcrap

i went to my friends house and we were taking there by someone lvl 20 with full purples i hope he doesnt get banned because it wasnt his fault.

talk to them, they said they checked this out. if you didnt abuse it/ i think its more then 4 then you should be safe but still you migt have to put in a ticket to tell them.

lishi · Jan 12, 2008, 01:33 AM // 01:33

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Originally Posted by garethporlest18

According to Pablo (who could probably destroy all our PCs/Anet's servers if he was eveel) nothing was hacked. Of course I could have just read wrong among all the crap being talked by both sides (mostly the right side though, IE players for the ban).

According to the devs there was.(note, im not saying everone who made to the outpost did the hack)

So who we have to trust?

SolidShadow · Jan 12, 2008, 01:34 AM // 01:34

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But they violated the EULA they shouldn't be let back

go back to page 1 and start reading, most people didnt know they where wrong and the one making this complains cant proof it.

there was 1 guy who made a 3rd party program, everyone else in the districts got involved and 13year old kids messing up this thread.

Arch the · Jan 12, 2008, 01:35 AM // 01:35

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Originally Posted by lishi

According to the devs there was.(note, im not saying everone who made to the outpost did the hack)

So who we have to trust?

well the Devs banned me so i'd trust pablo

rath no more · Jan 12, 2008, 01:35 AM // 01:35

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Originally Posted by lishi

According to the devs there was.

So who we have to trust?

im not anymore sure then anyone else. there is a thread in here with that half wit talking about how he turned all of them in for hacking. it got locked dunno where it is. and hes already admitted he didnt know the guy.. this was information he got simply by asking him and expecting it to be true

Gaile Gray · Jan 12, 2008, 01:35 AM // 01:35

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Originally Posted by Inde

Except it's not really their mail is it? It's ncsoft

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Originally Posted by Tom Swift

and goes through about 5 levels of NCsoft before anyone at ANet even sees it.

The mail sent to [email protected] arrives in my mailbox. The Support system is through NCsoft, yes, and the Support System is where people can write about support issues, like a bug, a glitch, an appeal for having been banned... And of course fans are encouraged to share suggestions, design discussions, lore, and many other things on the fansite forums. But there is an address for critical issues like a game exploit.

I should clarify, perhaps. The Support system is perfectly fine for sending reports of exploits, as well. The team is watchful for such things and refers them to us quickly. But using that system is not the only option. For major issues like exploits, the [email protected] address is certainly an acceptable place to send such things. Putting "Potential Exploit" in the subject line is even more helpful. Using that address is a far, far better option than posting on a public forum and better than sending a PM or trying to message someone in the game.

Saphrium · Jan 12, 2008, 01:35 AM // 01:35

Very conservative ban indeed. Anet rules the world of online MMO again.

To ban these exploiters with such detailed investigation, such conservative measures, and do this much explanations is all that I ever could hope for a gaming company.

Then again there are people who complains anyway, and Anet will hear more complains from them because they are the literal "one-step-up hardcore players", and thanks to the business model Anet adapted, they can ban them without a grief, as they contribute absolutely nothing to neither the gaming community nor business revenue.(As least WoW needs to think about maybe 30-40 monthly subscription money by this single exploiter.)

Thank you for taking the effort to make the community better even when GW is a 3-year-old product.

Save Anet, save the world. XD

Sincerely,